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#: 738 S1/General Information
    31-May-88  21:17:35
Sb: #698-#CDROM
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: John Ausland 73240,2704

Come on, John.  Our catalog was free. Bob Helfant

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#: 739 S1/General Information
    31-May-88  21:19:48
Sb: #734-#715-New-
Fm: mike obryan 71410,340
To: Mike McGroarty 73210,2353

Mike Thanks for the critique of Bookshelf, always get the most reliable info
from the guy using the product.  It is a shame that they're not planning to
buff up the weaknesses since it sounds like basically a good product.

#: 740 S1/General Information
    01-Jun-88  03:18:47
Sb: #733-FUTURE CD TECHNOLOGY
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: Ty Wait 76701,231

Ty -

I can run MemoryMate directly from an ARC file with no noticable loss of speed
on a database of 2 Mb (using the "Arc R" command).  The index, the database and
the search software are all compressed to about 40% of the original space.  Is
2 Mb simply too small to notice any speed difference on magnetic media, or
should we ARC all CD-ROM's (chuckle)?  Seriously though, "decompression" is
processor intensive, correct?, and the continuing escalation of cpu speeds (how
about an intelligent CD-ROM interface?) might allow very dense compressions, if
I'm not very dense myself.  Compression should speed the effective data
transfer rate from drive to memory, shouldn't it, since there are fewer bits to
transfer, in addition to giving us larger databases?

#: 741 S1/General Information
    01-Jun-88  09:19:20
Sb: #738-CDROM
Fm: Phil Dunn 74017,614
To: bob helfant 75530,214

Oh, please send me your catalog .... we publish Econ/Stats I CD-ROM, but we
don't even have your catalog.

Phil Dunn Hopkins Technology 421 Hazel Lane Hopkins, MN 55343


#: 742 S1/General Information
    01-Jun-88  16:50:45
Sb: New Member
Fm: Scott Smith 70020,771
To: all

Just introducing myself as a new member.  My name is Scott Smith and I am a PC
applications developer at a Health Maintenance Organization in Michigan.  My
interest in CD ROM is mainly in document storage and retrieval.  As you can
imagine, we have a lot of claim forms and other paperwork to process and store,
and I think that optical storage is a great way to cut down on our paper
storage requirements. Happy to be here, and I look forward to hearing from many
of you in the future.

#: 743 S1/General Information
    02-Jun-88  20:03:12
Sb: #741-CDROM
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Phil Dunn 74017,614 (X)

The catalog is on the way.  BH

#: 744 S3/CDROM Applications
    02-Jun-88  20:12:01
Sb: #726-CD Test
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Phil Dunn 74017,614 (X)

Phil, We would be happy to take a look at your product.  I can probaly give you
some useful feedback seeing as I have most of the CD products on the market
today.  We do tech support for everything that we sell, so we have had to
become a good test site just to be able to help our customers.   Bob

#: 745 S1/General Information
    02-Jun-88  20:51:43
Sb: New member.
Fm: Tim K. 76120,3423
To: All

     I guess it's my turn to jump in here and introduce myself.  My name is Tim
Kesterson and I work for Internal Revenue Service. (Okay guys, let me have it.)
Here's my problem:

     First of all, I'm very new to CD-ROM technology.  I have a basic knowledge
and am learning more every day but I am still a novice. What we at IRS are
trying to find or develop on CD is a national telephone directory.  The part of
IRS that I work for deals with delinquent taxpayers who have "skipped out".  We
would be interested in anything that would assist us in locating these people.
This would include such things as Zip Code lists, Polk and Haines directories
etc. We are mainly interested in the telephone directories though.  Our
jurisdiction covers the entire state of Missouri and the lower half of
Illinois.  This is about 1000 hardcopy telephone books on our shelves. We are
already speaking to Southwestern Bell on getting the Missouri portion on CD.
They have been very receptive and are in the R & D stage of it now.  The only
problem is that the "Bell" companies don't communicate that well with each
other so they won't work together in developing a national directory.  I am
aware that NYNEX is working with the Bell on the east coast on a New England
states white pages.  These are the only two companies I know of that are
working on such a project. This leaves quite a bit to do.  If anybody out there
knows of any other Bell or other third party company that is developing such an
item, please let me know.  Or if anybody knows of any CD product that would
prove itself to be a good locator service for our needs, I would appreciate the
information.

                             Tim Kesterson




#: 746 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    03-Jun-88  03:37:43
Sb: #730-16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132

Eiichi -

The card is the CDI-21OS from Online Computer Systems Inc., 20251 Century
Blvd., Germantown, MD 20874, [phone].  It is available "only through
OEM's and dealers" according to CD-ROM Review, March/April '88, Vol.3 No.2,
p.70 and was "one of the eye-openers at CD-ROM Expo '87".  Now, give me an 8
disk set of CD-ROM's that would justify the investment and I'll buy the card,
the drives, a PS/2 and boot up!

I don't need dictionaries, encyclopedias, census data, pharmaceutical data,
medical journal abstracts, scientific tables, auto parts catalogs, a 100 yrs of
master's theses or the N.Y. Times, and the I.R.S. Code all on line at once
badly enough to cripple my finances.

I think that much of the technology which is marketed as "personal" computing
is clearly aimed at institutional needs and institutional budgets. Sad, in a
way, but maybe there'll be a nice "trickle down effect".


#: 747 S1/General Information
    04-Jun-88  02:54:14
Sb: #731-New member Intro
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: Eric Azarcon 72571,2175

Eric -

Hi!  Welcome to the CDROM forum.  What kind of stuff with HyperCard?  We're
doing a bunch with it as an index to our PD ROM(tm) disk of PD software.

-- Raines Cohen / BMUG

#: 748 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    05-Jun-88  02:29:24
Sb: #746-16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

Mark, thanks. So it seems hard to get it for an ordinary end-user. But, anyway,
thanks for the valuable info. Eiichi.

#: 749 S1/General Information
    05-Jun-88  13:01:56
Sb: Hello!
Fm: Kyle Murray 76137,3434
To: ALL

Hello all,

  My name is Kyle Murray and I am the technical support person for Conti
Computer Systems in Vancouver, B.C.  My interests are computers (of course),
music, skiing and racquetball.

  I am joining this forum because I have almost zero knowledge of CCDROMs and
would very much like to learn more.

  I also would like to pose a question if I might.  Has anyone out there
connected a Hitachi CDROM to a Commodore PC10-III.  It seems to work fine on
the PC10-II but not the III.  Any help in this matter would be greatly
appreciated.

  Thanks,

  Kyle

#: 750 S3/CDROM Applications
    06-Jun-88  04:44:26
Sb: Image-storage/CD-ROM ?
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: ALL

I'm a contributing editor for PHOTOMETHODS magazine and am preparing an
article about storing photographs on optical disks, including CD-ROMs and
laserdisks.

I'd welcome any information related to this subject, as long as I receive it
this week.  I'd especially love to learn of actual _applications_ of this
technology!  B/w and color photos would be useful, too.

Please leave e-mail here or send information to:

Jerry O'Neill
Contributing Editor
PHOTOMETHODS magazine
261 Roslyn St
Rochester, NY 14619
716-436-0059

Many thanks for whatever information you can provide!

-- Jerry

#: 751 S1/General Information
    06-Jun-88  13:06:54
Sb: this forum
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: Fred Meyer 76306,1032

Fred,
  Well, you never know who you'll run into on Compuserve!  I've only just
discovered this forum too, having spent most of my time perusing ADCIS.  Glad
to see yourself and other knowledgeable people here.

See you at the next conference,

Dave Pushic, Philips

#: 752 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    06-Jun-88  17:17:54
Sb: #724-#16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Lee Lammert 76314,2650
To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 (X)

Don't let anyone tell you that you can't use an 8-bit interface board in a
16-bit slot! There is no reason that the 8-bit board will not work in the
16-bit slot, but you cannot, obviously, use a 16-bit board in an 8-bit slot.
Very few people will admit this, but I personally have five different 8-bit
boards in 16-bit slots, with no problems whatsoever.

Make sure the expert talking has tried what he/she is talking about!



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#: 753 S3/CDROM Applications
    07-Jun-88  18:43:56
Sb: CD ROM/AUDIO
Fm: New member 73210,2771
To: JOEL NAGY

TO JOEL NAGY   FROM ROB WARD  R.A.W.    OF DIGITAL DIAGNOSTICS INC. THERE WAS A
FORTH PROGRAM AND A FEW BASIC PROGRAMS FOR CONTROLLING CD AUDIO INFO AND CD ROM
AUDIO BUT THOSE PROGRAMS NO LONGER SEEM TO BE HERE.  CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME
WHERE THEY WENT?   THANKS.






#: 754 S3/CDROM Applications
    08-Jun-88  11:21:47
Sb: CD ROM LAN access
Fm: Karen Fletcher 72261,730
To: ALL

We have recently acquired Lotus Development's CD Investment and CD Corporate
products (formerly Lotus One Source and Datext's product, respectively).  We
anticipate very heavy demand and are currently limited to one station/one user.
Does anyone out there have any experience running a CD ROM on a IBM PC LAN with
multi-user simultaneous access?

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who is using businessoriented CD
ROM databases or reference products.

Oh yes, I am a new member of this forum.  I am Manager of User Services for the
Office for Information Management which serves as the research/ teaching
computing service to the Commerce College of the University of Illinois.  Our
labs consist of a 150+ node IBM Token Ring Network. Our main focus is on
integrating information technology into the business curriculum.   CD ROM
business databases are one of our main project this year.

#: 755 S1/General Information
    08-Jun-88  11:40:26
Sb: CDROM HElp
Fm: Frank Scanzano 75126,302
To: all

  I'd like to get some info on the following subjects.
   1) Where can I get detailed programming info on the Amdek
      Laser-2000 drive.
   2) A detailed breakdown of what info is on an audio CD.
      (i.e. artist,title,etc)
   3) What is the format for a Docusystem image.
        (can it be displayed on a EGA or VGA/8514/a?)
   4) Is there an update to Grolier CDROM Encyclopedia?
      (i.e.: images)

                  Frank

#: 756 S3/CDROM Applications
    08-Jun-88  21:07:41
Sb: Mainframes & CD's?
Fm: Brian Nath 73240,252
To: sysop (X)

Hello! This is my first time in the forum and was happy to find it when I used
the cserve index with the keyword CD. I'm a Sr. Analyst/Programmer for a campus
of about 20,000 students.  We're DEC users, (DEC-10 and VAX via DECNET).  We'd
like to keep some 50+ years of student data on-line, the majority of which will
be nonchanging.  Are CD's being used in mainframe environments for accessing
"old" data?  In my limited readings I see a lot about CD's and micros and see
talk of the CD slow access times, slow compared to 20ms access times.  Any
opinions on CD's in our environment?  It seems like we have an ideal
application for CD's but I'm wondering if they're still a year or two down the
path for us.  Just how fast are WORM's and CD's these days?

#: 757 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    09-Jun-88  05:19:11
Sb: #752-#16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132
To: Lee Lammert 76314,2650

Lee,

Thanks for the info.  This is the first time I hear this is possible. Then, of
course, I tried! and succeeded.  I plugged Amdek Laserdrive's 8-bit interface
card into one of the 16-bit slots available in my AT-compatible and it just
worked as fine as in the 8-bit slot. Discovery Systems's fantastic CD-ROM
Sampler and Microsoft Bookshelf ran very well on this configuration.  I really
don't know why this works, but as you said, it is no wonder 8-bit card will
work in a 16-bit slot. Frankly, I was really amazed!

Eiichi.

P.S. However, what will happen if you plug a different video card (say, a CGA)
in a 16-bit slot when you already have an EGA card in an 8-bit slot??? (Is
there any way to select a video card when you have multiple cards plugged in
the slots?  I'm now interested in a VGA card.  I wish I could switch among the
video cards.)

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#: 758 S1/General Information
    09-Jun-88  18:51:07
Sb: CD-ROM Drive for sale
Fm: scott stewart 70611,76
To: All

For sale internal Toshiba CD-ROM drive with driver card and DOS extensions. The
model number is XM-3101B like new condition, asking $575.00 includes
documentation and demo disk. For more information please contact me through
E-Mail.

#: 759 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    09-Jun-88  22:14:36
Sb: #757-16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132

Eiichi -

You can select one of several video cards in a single system by using the DOS
mode command or one of the many public domain video utilities.  I strongly
recommend CTRLALT.COM in the IBMHW or IBMSW Forum.  It allows you to change the
"active" screen from EGA/CGA monitor to Mono monitor, cut/paste from any part
of one screen to the other, print any section of either screen and lots more.
I'm sure there are utilities that allow the same tricks with VGA as one of the
cards. Of course, you must configure your cards to use different starting
addresses and dedicate a monitor to each card.

Generally speaking, 8 bit cards will work in 16 bit slots.  When you started
this thread I thought you were asking about MicroChannel cards, which as you
know require their own hardware.

                                    Good luck,
                                              Mark

#: 760 S1/General Information
    09-Jun-88  23:29:10
Sb: NEW MEMBER
Fm: Philip Turner 72650,74
To: all

Hello, my name is Philip Turner.  I am  a new member of the CD-ROM forum. My
particular interests are CD-ROM applications in libraries, full text data bases
on CD-ROM, and hypertext, hypercard hardware and software.  I work for the
Cataloging Distribution Service of the Library of Congress, and I shall upload
announcements of Library of Congress products on CD-ROM from time to time. I am
not, repeat NOT representing LC in an official capacity in this forum.  I am
here because of my professional interest in CD-ROM technology and I am paying
for time on compuserve out of my own pocket.  Please take up queries regarding
matters other than CD-ROM through regular channels.  I shall report to LC my
evaluation on using Compuserve as an information dissemination medium.

#: 761 S1/General Information
    09-Jun-88  23:55:35
Sb: file upload
Fm: Philip Turner 72650,74
To: sysop (X)

Can you tell me how to upload a file to the message bulletin board?  Thanks.
Phil Turner

#: 762 S1/General Information
    10-Jun-88  00:58:50
Sb: me and CDROM
Fm: Jim Wheelock 72117,1125
To: all

As requested, I am leaving a brief description of my CDROM interest. I am a
very-end-user.  I have  a PC at home with an Amdek/Hitachi ROM drive with
Booksheld. I have been waiting patiently, like sdo many others, for some
addiotnal software to become available. I cannot affort $1,200 for the OED,
although I would *love* to own it on CDROM, for example.  I don't need
interleaving, just some good library materials. I'll be anxious to see and hear
the discussions on this forum.

#: 763 S5/Data Preparation
    10-Jun-88  03:25:39
Sb: #708-MASTERS WORM
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Michael S. Rinebold 76044,1046

Hi, Michael --

I'm writing an article on CD-ROMs for picture storage, for PHOTOMETHODS
magazine, and your msg about "clients interested in creating picture
portfolios that can be retrieved and searched by computer" caught my eye. If
you can send me some info about this, I'd like to include it in my article
-- a quote from you as a (P)rivate msg or Easyplex would be nice,
f'rinstance. Either way (yes or no), please let me know.

Alas, I'm on deadline... <grin>

     Jerry O'Neill
     PHOTOMETHODS
     261 Roslyn St
     Rochester, NY 14619
     715-436-0059

Thanks!

-- Jerry

#: 764 S1/General Information
    10-Jun-88  03:25:48
Sb: #732-NEW MEMBER
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Fred Meyer 76306,1032

Hi, Fred --

I'm writing an article on CD-ROMs for picture storage, for PHOTOMETHODS
magazine.  Please send me a press kit about your development systems --
they're not the main focus of the article, but will be included.  Overnight
express would be appreciated; I'm on deadline... <grin>

     Jerry O'Neill
     PHOTOMETHODS
     261 Roslyn St
     Rochester, NY 14619
     715-436-0059

Thanks!

-- Jerry
CDROM Forum Forum Menu


#: 765 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    10-Jun-88  15:44:14
Sb: jukebox
Fm: greg meredith 76107,362
To: Ty Wait

Hi, i'm new to this forum, but decided to check it out to see if anybody knows
anything about a "jukebox" type cdrom-player. The University of Texas at Austin
General Libraries is interested in such a device to enable us to give a broader
(more flexible) service to users.

thanks, lgm

#: 766 S3/CDROM Applications
    12-Jun-88  00:10:48
Sb: #679-ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Jim Wheelock 72117,1125
To: bob helfant 75530,214 (X)

To Bob Helfant: I assume you are the CD Products man.  I have twice phoned you
to ask your price on the OED CD. Do you sell it? Also, I'd be interested in the
Alde CD.  How do I order it? Please reply via Easy PLex.  Thanx.

#: 767 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    12-Jun-88  00:15:17
Sb: #759-16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

Mark,

Thank you for the info on switching video cards.  I searched for CTRLALT.COM in
IBMHW (Video/EGA) and in IBMSW (DOS / OS, Gen. Utilities, Misc & Demos), but I
couldn't locate it.  Maybe it's somewhere else.  Anyway I'll try to find out
how to use DOS mode command.

BTW, is such a plain DOS external command sometimes called "vanilla"? I think
I've often seen this expression elsewhere, but don't know what it exactly
means. Is it "plain, commonplace, ordinary"?  Has it already been out of vogue?

Yes, my original interest was how to use CD-ROMs on a PS/2s, but, seeing this
and that, I try to do what I can do within my available sources. So my next
interest will go to 386 ATs, which are a lot cheaper than 386 PS/2s, and how I
can utilize CD-ROMs on them (maybe by using multitasking OS like VM/386).

   Still a long way ...  Eiichi <^_^>

#: 768 S1/General Information
    12-Jun-88  01:06:14
Sb: ##764 - Press Kit/CD ROM
Fm: Fred Meyer 76306,1032
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

Hello Jerry,

   We'll be happy to express out a press kit to you on Monday morning.  Hope it
will arrive soon enough for your deadline.  If you have any questions, feel
free to give me a call at the office.  Not many articles have been done on
digital image management for CD.  Your's will be welcome.  A number of Meridian
Data customers have put images on CD - both vector and raster.  Multi-Ad
Services of Peoria, IL has put a large number of postscript compatible images
on their CD products.  Hewlett Packard is now delivering full documentation for
the HP3000 series computers on CD ROM, including both text and graphics.

   One of the most graphic discs I have seen was the complete Boeing 757
maintenance manuals set (about 15' of linear shelf space).  This disc, which
was produced by Knowledge Set of Monterey, CA, contained not only the complete
text but also all the diagrams coded in vector format.  Vector format, of
course, allows full image manipulation -  zoom, rotate... etc.  Cahners
Publishing just announced in last week's Business Week that they would supply
complete semiconductor specifications on CD ROM.  What a productivity tool for
hardware designers !!!   The list goes on and on.  It is surely an exciting
field, not to mention DVI and the capability of full motion video from a CD
data stream.

Good luck on your article.  I'd like the opportunity to see it when you're
done.

Fred Meyer, Meridian Data Inc.
            4450 Capitola Road  Suite 101
            Capitola, CA  95010
            408/476-5858

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#: 769 S1/General Information
    12-Jun-88  01:06:26
Sb: #Reply #751
Fm: Fred Meyer 76306,1032
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345 (X)

Hi Dave,
  It's a small world out there.  With Philips represented, this conference is
practically a "brain-trust".  Great to hear from you.

  Stay Kool this summer...
  Fred Meyer, Meridian Data Inc.

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#: 770 S1/General Information
    12-Jun-88  02:07:07
Sb: #768-#764 - Press Kit/CD ROM
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Fred Meyer 76306,1032 (X)

Fred, _many_ thanks for your help!

I'll be glad to send you a copy of the article.  Of course, print media
require some lead time; we're talking about the August issue!  <smile>

-- Jerry

#: 771 S1/General Information
    12-Jun-88  05:55:03
Sb: #735-New- Grolier & More
Fm: John Ausland 73240,2704
To: Mike McGroarty 73210,2353

I think Grolier is a very good encyclopedia.  I do not use it a great deal,
but, when I have, it has provided me with helpful information.  The search
system is simple and effective.  I would not recommend that a private person
buy a CD-ROM player to use it.  If, however, you already have the player, it
could be a useful investment.

I usually get to the US each year but normally only as far as Sante Fe, where
my daughter lives.  I will, however, keep your invitation in mind. One never
knows.

#: 772 S1/General Information
    12-Jun-88  16:43:25
Sb: #740-FUTURE CD TECHNOLOGY
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

Mark -

In your 2 Mb test with MemoryMate, I would guess that you did not add many (or
any?) disk accesses, which are the slow part of a retrieval.  And with most
cpus today (especially 80286 and above), decompressing some data will not cause
a significant delay.  Well thought out uses of compression of data on CDROM
make a lot of sense since you can trade CD accesses (which are very slow) for
cpu decompression (which should be very fast - comparatively).

-Ty

#: 773 S3/CDROM Applications
    12-Jun-88  20:08:14
Sb: #754 - LANs and CD ROM
Fm: Fred Meyer 76306,1032
To: Karen Fletcher 72261,730

CD Net from Meridian Data may be exactly what you are looking for.  This
product, which was announced at the 1988 Microsoft CD ROM Conference, allows
multi-user simultaneous access to CD ROMs on standard LANs.  Both McGraw Hill
and Dialog Information Services participated in the CD Net press conference.
Token-Ring, Ethernet or ARCnet hardware is supported running either Novell
2.0/2.1 or 3Com/Netbios/MS-Net LAN software.  CD Net is a standalone unit which
supports up to 4 CD ROM drives.  No dedicated PC/Server is required.  Once you
have connected CD Net to your LAN coax, any CD ROM conforming to High
Sierra/ISO9660 is accessable on your network.  In addition, multiple CD Nets
can be connected on the same LAN for almost unlimited storage capacity.
Elaborate caching, elevator seeking, etc. are used to maintain high performance
even with heavy usage. If you would like more information, call or write:
   Meridian Data, Inc.
   4450 Capitola Road  Suite 101
   Capitola, CA  95010
   408/476-5858




#: 774 S1/General Information
    13-Jun-88  12:08:52
Sb: #769-Reply #751
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: Fred Meyer 76306,1032

Fred,
     Between the two of us, plus others represented here, I'm sure we can
answer most questions that pop up about getting CDROMs made.

Hope the weather on the West Coast is treating you well.  Give my regards to
Mike Prussian and tell him I forgive him for the Aad Proeme fiasco. (just
kidding Mike!)

Love and Kisses,

Dave Pushic

#: 775 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    13-Jun-88  13:21:06
Sb: #757-16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Lee Lammert 76314,2650
To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132

Eiichi, Using multiple video cards in one system can only be done if each is
using a different interrupt address. CGA and EGA are compatible, but flakey
things may happen in getting DOS to recognize ONLY the correct unit you wish to
use for boot-up. Anyway, most new-generation VGA, as well as most good EGA
boards has autoswitch capability for deciding which mode to be in, whether CGA,
EGA, MONO, etc. Let me know if you try two adapters in a single system. It
should work, as long as the application is correctly configured, but I know of
no way to send DOS to the correct unit, unless it defaults to the 'less smart',
lower-res unit.

Lee


#: 776 S3/CDROM Applications
    13-Jun-88  17:21:17
Sb: CD-ROM
Fm: New member 73210,2771
To: ALL

HELLO, THIS IS ROB WARD - (RAW - JUST LIKE EDDIE MURPHY) AND JIM BLANKENSHIP OF
DIGITAL DIAGNOSTICS.  WE ARE TWO CDROM PPROGRAMMERS FROM SACRAMENTO, CA.  WE
LIKE TO SURF AND PROGRAM. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CDROM PROGRAMMERS WITH SIMILAR
INTERESTS. LEAVE A MESSAGE TO OUR ACCOUNT [73210,2771].  WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
INTERESTED IN CD-ROM TO LEAVE US A MESSAGE



#: 777 S3/CDROM Applications
    13-Jun-88  22:33:20
Sb: #773-#754 - LANs and CD ROM
Fm: Karen Fletcher 72261,730
To: Fred Meyer 76306,1032 (X)

Alas, no support for IBM PC LAN 1.2 software?  Is this forthcoming? When I
first caught a glimpse of a blurb on CD NET, it sounded too good to be true.
It would be perfect for what we need.

Any idea if IBM PC LAN software will be supported in the near future?

#: 778 S1/General Information
    14-Jun-88  07:53:56
Sb: #762-me and CDROM
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Jim Wheelock 72117,1125

Jim - Do you have a catalog of ours?  I see that you are looking for affordable
CDs, and we do have a few.  BTW, the OED is $945. Bob Helfant CDP

#: 779 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    14-Jun-88  07:55:27
Sb: #765-jukebox
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: greg meredith 76107,362

I have seen at least two juke box systems demoed at trade shows.  Each held
about 255 CDs, but I don't have the company names who make them. Bob Helfant



#: 780 S5/Data Preparation
    14-Jun-88  08:43:34
Sb: #708-MASTERS WORM
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Michael S. Rinebold 76044,1046


On the surface it sounds like a dBASE III or IV application with an extension
or two to access and display image files created by a scanner. Is this close?
Can you give any more details?

Ty Wait

#: 781 S1/General Information
    14-Jun-88  13:17:06
Sb: #768-#764 - Press Kit/CD ROM
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Fred Meyer 76306,1032 (X)

Fred, the press kit arrived on schedule this AM.  Many thanks!  -- Jerry

#: 782 S3/CDROM Applications
    14-Jun-88  21:34:50
Sb: CDMARC Subjects
Fm: Philip Turner 72650,74
To: all

There is a press release on the Library of Congress Subject Headings CD-ROM
disc (CDMARC Subjects) in forum library #3.  File name is CDMARC.SBJ
Phil Turner

#: 783 S2/Conference/Seminars
    14-Jun-88  21:52:06
Sb: SIGCAT Meeting
Fm: Philip Turner 72650,74
To: all

The minutes of the June meeting of SIGCAT (Special Interest Group on CD-ROM
Applications and Technology) are available in Library #2 in file SIGCAT.MGT.
Several new products, both from government and private industry, were
announced.



#: 784 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    15-Jun-88  00:25:56
Sb: #775-16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132
To: Lee Lammert 76314,2650 (X)

{Lee, I was trying to use two cards in a single system, for which Mark kindly
sent me ctrlalt.com that would work very fine for letting the system know the
right addresses of video boards. However, seeing your msg, it'd also be good to
get a very smart VGA board.  I'll try and see, thanks. Eiichi

#: 785 S3/CDROM Applications
    15-Jun-88  14:02:15
Sb: CDROM AUDIO
Fm: New member 73210,2771
To: ALL

I'M LOOKING FOR SOURCE CODE IN PASCAL, C, OR BASIC TO CONTROL A HITACHI 1503 CD
DRIVE FOR PLAYING MUSIC.  IF YOU KNOW OF ANY CODE WITH THE ABOVE DESCRIPTION I
WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE HEARING ABOUT IT.

JIM BLANKENSHIP [73210,2771]



#: 786 S1/General Information
    16-Jun-88  09:42:59
Sb: Distributors needed
Fm: Len Kaltman, Comstock 71401,216
To: All

Greetings, I am project manager for Comstock Desktop Photography, a CD-ROM
containing 449 stock photographs.  I am looking to get a list of qualified
CD-ROM distributors, so I can get a retail network in place.  I have two
distributors so far, one in New York, the other in Canada.  Can anyone
recommend a distributor on the west coast, or know where I can get my hands on
a distributor list for CD-ROM products?  Any assitance is greatly appreciated.
Sincerely, Len Kaltman, Comstock, NY


#: 787 S1/General Information
    16-Jun-88  21:32:33
Sb: #732-NEW MEMBER
Fm: Pete Jacobsen 72307,2416
To: Fred Meyer 76306,1032 (X)

Fred,
       Tell us more about your company and what you do.  I'm next door (Santa
Cruz, Ca.) and was frankly surprised to find a CD-ROM company so close!
                               Pete Jacobsen


#: 788 S3/CDROM Applications
    17-Jun-88  07:25:53
Sb: #785-CDROM AUDIO
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: New member 73210,2771 (X)

My company has been developing audio products for the Hitachi CD drive series
for about a year now.  We would be happy to sell you a developers kit from
Hitachi.  Just call us at 800-MEGABYT to order.  Bob Helfant

#: 789 S3/CDROM Applications
    17-Jun-88  15:00:14
Sb: #Archived Board
Fm: New member 73210,2771
To: Mike McGroarty 73210,2353 (X)

Mr. Sysop,

           is there some way to download this message board so that I can look
at it at home?  If so please tell me how,  thanks Rob Ward - RAW

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#: 790 S1/General Information
    17-Jun-88  16:58:22
Sb: #786-Distributors needed
Fm: Kenneth Wm. Miller, II 76367,2733
To: Len Kaltman, Comstock 71401,216

Len,

What are "stock photographs"?

Discovery Systems tried scanning some photos for my company into a VGA
format and could not get the resolution required in a selling tool.

#: 791 S3/CDROM Applications
    17-Jun-88  19:14:58
Sb: #654-ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Jim Wheelock 72117,1125
To: John Ausland 73240,2704

I couldn't agree more...I just got it from Bob, and it is remarkable. I will be
weeks in just getting below the surface.  I recommend it to one and all.  Does
anyone know if ALDE is planning a sequel?

#: 792 S3/CDROM Applications
    18-Jun-88  01:51:45
Sb: #789-Archived Board
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: New member 73210,2771

Mike -

You can just type RT0 at the "forum" prompt to read all messages currently on
the board, in thread order.

-- Raines Cohen / BMUG

#: 793 S1/General Information
    18-Jun-88  14:35:19
Sb: CD-ROM developers
Fm: ron cayne 76012,2120
To: All

We are interested in exploring the whole area of CD publishing and are intere
interested in having the following issues addressed:
         1. What companies are producing the best text
            text retrieval engines.
         2. What companies are producing the best engines for dealing
            with vector graphic images.
         3. What boards are available for use or 286 or 386 machines
            that aid in compression of graphic images and what is the most
            appropriate software.
         4. Who produces the best filters for removing typesetting
            codes from data being prepared for mastering.
         5. Do private databases license their databases for applications
            on CD and what are they generally demanding to give
            licenses.

Currently we have the Discovery Rom and the TMS disk but are currently seeking
samples or demo disks that will demonstrate the possiblity of using CD in the
following areas:
        1) Education
        2) Catalog pricing
        3) Textual & Graphic(emphasis on textual) applications

Please direct correspondence here or direct mail to:
                 Ronald Cayne
                 c/o Epstein & Cayne Inc.
                 1435 St. Alexander, Suite 1095
                 Montreal, Quebec H3A 2G4

Telephone:[phone]                Fax:[phone]

                         Thanks you all.....Ron Cayne

/e

#: 794 S3/CDROM Applications
    19-Jun-88  01:10:37
Sb: hello, AI, Optical disks
Fm: Bill Gibson 71510,25
To: all

Hello, I'm a new member and wanted to leave a note with my area off interest. I
do AI applications under contract, and am interested in the CD/ROM and Optical
disk area as a means of capaturing a great deal more historic information on
line. I'm especially interested in learning about software interfaces to the
PC, and efficient indexing into very large, non-structured, data. Bill Gibson
By the way, I did a search onoptical and did not get any hits. Am I in the
wrong place, or do some of you have some directions to help me. Thanks, Bill


#: 795 S3/CDROM Applications
    20-Jun-88  10:55:59
Sb: #788-#CDROM AUDIO
Fm: Singing Electrons/Tom J. 73717,2261
To: bob helfant 75530,214 (X)

What sort of audio products, if I may ask?
                                -TJ-

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#: 796 S1/General Information
    20-Jun-88  16:06:00
Sb: #790-Distributors needed
Fm: Len Kaltman, Comstock 71401,216
To: Kenneth Wm. Miller, II 76367,2733

Dear Ken, Stock photos are existing photos available for use.  You "purchase"
reproduction rights to them for use in ads, brochures, whatever. Discovery
scanned 449 photos for us, and for in-house use, the resolution was more than
adequate.  If you drop me your address, I'll send you further information about
stock photography, and our CD.  Best regards, Len Kaltman

#: 797 S3/CDROM Applications
    20-Jun-88  21:15:22
Sb: #795-#CDROM AUDIO
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Singing Electrons/Tom J. 73717,2261 (X)

Tom - I don't know what message I left you, but if you want to know what
products we sell, just leave me your address. Bob Helfant - Compact Disk
Products.

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#: 798 S3/CDROM Applications
    20-Jun-88  21:18:09
Sb: #791-#ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Jim Wheelock 72117,1125 (X)

Jim - We are about to start selling another public domain disk from ALDE called
the Blue Sail disk.  It should be in stock by mid next week. Bob Helfant

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#: 799 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Jun-88  00:46:45
Sb: #798-ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Jim Wheelock 72117,1125
To: bob helfant 75530,214

I'll be on vacation for 3 weeks.  Could you send me a description of the Blue
Sail ?  Address: 45 W 67 St (#26F), NYC 10023.  Thanks.

#: 800 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Jun-88  01:36:36
Sb: #798-ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: bob helfant 75530,214

Bob -

What's the blue sail disk?

-- Raines Cohen / BMUG (almost ready to press the PD ROM(tm))

#: 801 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Jun-88  11:39:32
Sb: #797-CDROM AUDIO
Fm: Singing Electrons/Tom J. 73717,2261
To: bob helfant 75530,214

Bob, I was responding to a message you left someone else. You mentioned that
you had been producing audio products for CDROM, and I asked for more
information. Singing Electrons produces soundtracks for computer games and
desktop presentations; we're quite interested in CDROM and I wanted to see if I
could find out more particulars. Our address is:

        Singing Electrons
        2915 Harrison
        Oakland, CA 94611
        [phone]

Thanks.
                                -TJ-

#: 802 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Jun-88  23:04:38
Sb: #797-CDROM AUDIO
Fm: Pete Jacobsen 72307,2416
To: bob helfant 75530,214

Bob,
       I called your number and they send me a 10 page flyer.  Is that your
catalog?  It seems to offer two kinds of hitachi drives and 7 disks.  Two of
those disks were VERY special purpose (Mass spectral data at $2655!).  Was this
just a sample of what your company offers?  If so, how can I get a full
catalog.
                               Pete Jacobsen


#: 803 S3/CDROM Applications
    22-Jun-88  21:43:34
Sb: #800-#ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271 (X)

The Blue Sail disk is another 1000 floppies of public domain shareware.  What
CD are you about to press?  Bob Helfant



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#: 804 S3/CDROM Applications
    22-Jun-88  21:44:51
Sb: #801-CDROM AUDIO
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Singing Electrons/Tom J. 73717,2261 (X)

Our catalog is on the way.  Bob Helant

#: 805 S3/CDROM Applications
    22-Jun-88  21:52:06
Sb: #802-CDROM AUDIO
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Pete Jacobsen 72307,2416 (X)

Does this mean that you don't want to order the Registry of Mass Spectral Data?
Our catalog is missing a few disks that we sell, but as it stands, it lists
more than 7 Cds.  We also carry the Oxford English Dictionary (1 or 2 CDs), a
disk of stock photos for use with desktop publishing ware, and a few disks full
of public domain shareware.  The other hundred or so CDs that have been pressed
are for specific industries.  We try to address a horizontal market in our
advertising and also list things like the registry to let people know that we
also carry specialty items. Bob Helfant

#: 806 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Jun-88  01:30:22
Sb: #803-#ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: bob helfant 75530,214 (X)

Bob -

We're about to press the BMUG PD ROM(tm), a collection of about 300-some megs
of Macintosh publically distributable software - shareWare, public domain, and
freeware.  Sorted, tested, organized, indexed.  HFS format disc.  Right now
looks like we'll press on July 8th.

-- Raines Cohen / BMUG

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#: 807 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Jun-88  15:25:38
Sb: #806-#ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271 (X)

What software did you use to index it?  Is the source available?  My club is
considering putting a disk together for the Amiga and would appreciate any
suggestions you may have.



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#: 808 S1/General Information
    26-Jun-88  09:09:39
Sb: #Greetings
Fm: Ronald Nutter 73605,612
To: All

Greetings,  This is Ron Nutter in Lexington,Ky.  I am the sysop of a club
sponsored board Bluegrass RBBS (606)-272-0499.  I recently installed a CD-ROM
drive on my board (an AMDEK Laserdrive-1) and a CD-ROM from ALDE Publishing.
This gives my board 670 megs online.  Being new to CD-ROM's I have a lot to
learn and hope that I can contribute as well.

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#: 809 S3/CDROM Applications
    26-Jun-88  18:42:43
Sb: #807-#ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004 (X)

Vic -

Sorry, our indexing stuff is very Mac-directory-structure specific, and
integrated with HyperCard.  Good luck!

-- Raines / BMUG

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#: 810 S3/CDROM Applications
    27-Jun-88  04:20:54
Sb: #809-ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271 (X)

Thanks, I'm not looking forward to indexing all of those docs, but it's gotta
be done.



#: 811 S3/CDROM Applications
    27-Jun-88  19:27:08
Sb: #ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: William E. Fein 72261,1642
To: members

To: ALL CD-ROM FORUM MEMBERS Fm: William Fein, Information Access Co. Su: New
CD-ROM from Ziff Davis Publishing

Ziff-Davis Publishing introduced a new CD-ROM product at Spring COMDEX in May.
The product is called The Computer Library and includes abstracts of articles
from over 120 computer publications such as Computerworld, Infoworld,
InformationWeek, and PC World. It also includes abstracts AND the fulltext from
the following publications:


          PC Week                    PC Magazine
          PC Tech Journal            Digital Review
          MacUser                    Microsoft Systems Journal
          Lotus Magazine             Govt Computer News
          A+                         Communications of the ACM

It is priced at $695/yr plus $25 for S/H for 12 monthly disks. If you have any
questions about Computer Library pls leave them here.

Rgds, W. Fein

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#: 812 S3/CDROM Applications
    27-Jun-88  22:16:26
Sb: #811-#ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: William E. Fein 72261,1642 (X)

A few technical questions, if I may:  What kind of indexing system, retreival
engine and user interface do your disks have?  Proprietary (or commissioned) or
off-the-shelf?  Do your disks include graphics? Advertisements?   How were the
disks prepared in terms of digitizing the text - did you start with tapes from
the magazine publishers and strip out the typesetting codes, were you handed
pure ascii files, or did you do some mass O.C.R. scanning?  If you scanned the
printed material, what kind of equipment did you use?  Do you have a demo on
floppy?
                                       Thanks, Mark

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#: 813 S3/CDROM Applications
    28-Jun-88  09:09:58
Sb: #812-#ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

Computer Library is still vaporware and will not be out for at least a few more
months.  Luckily, Ziff Communications is open and aboveboard about that fact.
Unlike other companies, who say they have products available, but in fact do
not. -- Jeff Frentzen, CD-ROM Review

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#: 814 S1/General Information
    28-Jun-88  16:10:42
Sb: #808-#Greetings
Fm: Karen Fletcher 72261,730
To: Ronald Nutter 73605,612 (X)

I would be *very* interested to hear how you are making your CD ROM available
through dialup.  We have a group of Executive MBAs who - because they're all
commuters - would like to be able to dial in to business databases on CD ROM at
the University.

I am only slightly familiar with BBS software.  Are you willing to share your
knowledge ?  I would really appreciate any help you can give us.

Thanks.

Karen Fletcher Commerce College, University of Illinois 72261,730 phone:
217-244-5000

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#: 815 S3/CDROM Applications
    29-Jun-88  02:09:34
Sb: #813-#ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427
To: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127 (X)

Just to let you know that the Computer Library is shipping now to charter
subscribers.  The product is definetly not vaporware, it's excellent.  I ought
to know, I helped put it together. Regards, Gary

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#: 816 S1/General Information
    30-Jun-88  00:34:48
Sb: #CDROM's
Fm: RUSSELL BRUDNICKI 76064,2452
To: All interested parties

To anyone that can help... The company I work for has developed a propriotary
SCSI interface and MSDOS driver. We are looking for information on the
requirements for interfacing CDROM devices on the SCSI interface under MSDOS.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks   Russ

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#: 817 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Jun-88  09:20:02
Sb: #815-#ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Karen Fletcher 72261,730
To: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427 (X)

How does one become a charter subscriber?

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#: 819 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Jun-88  19:02:23
Sb: #ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: William E. Fein 72261,1642
To: mark schneider

A few technical answers:

   1) Indexing of Computer Library (CL) is done by staff of trained
      abstractors and indexers using controlled vocabulary. The
      vocabulary is same as the one used for IAC's online database,
      The Computer Database available on DIALOG & BRS.

   2) Retrieval engine is the Lotus Bluefish Searchware that allows
      keyword and boolean searching.

   3) I'm not sure what you mean about user interface. Please clarify.

   4) Further information can be provided by contacting Ziff
      Communications at:
                         One Park Ave
                         NY, NY 10016
                         (212) 503 -4400

rgds, W. Fein

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#: 820 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Jun-88  19:23:07
Sb: #817-ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427
To: Karen Fletcher 72261,730 (X)

Hi Karen -To subscribe to the Computer Library, call 212-503-4400.  Charter
subscribers will receive charter/beta disks monthly until about August, at
which time the clock on the annual subscription starts ticking.  In effect,
you'll get one or two free months. Regards, Gary PS:  An annual subscription is
priced at $695, plus s&h.

#: 821 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Jun-88  19:40:50
Sb: #754-#CD ROM LAN access
Fm: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427
To: Karen Fletcher 72261,730 (X)

Hi Karen -- Regarding your question about network access to CD-ROM drives, I've
just attended a demonstration of Merdian's network CD-ROM server.  Impressive
and reasonably priced.  Contact Mike Rynas, Network Sales Manager, Meridian, at
408-476-8908 (CA). Tell him I sent you.  Regards, Gary

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#: 822 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Jun-88  21:39:14
Sb: #819-ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: William E. Fein 72261,1642 (X)

William -

Thanks for the reply.  Bluefish is one of the programs I'm very interested in
myself, and have been since before Computer Access was swallowed up by Lotus.
After the acquisition Lotus proceded to yank the product off the shelf (or so I
thought), and my calls to Lotus about its re-release met silence.  Are you
happy with the program in its present incarnation?  Did you compare it to other
software, such as ZyIndex, that does pretty much the same thing, even though it
wasn't designed specifically for optical media?

Interesting that you have human indexers; I thought Bluefish and similar
products build an index automatically (an "inverted" index which excludes
"noise" words or "stop" words and points to every location of every significant
word).  Do the people select the significant words for Bluefish to index and
have it exclude all other words?

Re the user interface: what I meant was how it appears to the user and how he
manipulates it, online help screens, function key use, mouse use, how "computer
literate" a user must be vs. how intuitive the program is.  I realize that the
content of your database naturally appeals to people knowledgable about
computers, but for a product I have in mind that would not be true necessarily.

Finally, (sorry this is so long!), did you use O.C.R. scanning to build the raw
digital text or did you start with the text in digital form?  If scanned, what
equipment did you use?

                                  Thanks for all,  Mark



#: 823 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Jun-88  23:13:57
Sb: #821-#CD ROM LAN access
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427 (X)

Gary -

Why is it that a special subsystem is required for networking a CD-ROM drive?
If it appears as just another DOS device under the MS extensions and device
drivers, why can't the drives just be hooked onto any old network server with
non-proprietary disk format (such as 3Com+), or, better yet, shared by all
nodes on an ordinary P.C. under a distributed resource sharing operating system
(such as Tops)?

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#: 824 S1/General Information
    30-Jun-88  23:29:03
Sb: Savvy Newcomer
Fm: David Gilliland 76340,2346
To: all

Hello, I am sure glad to see a forum for optical products. I am David
Gilliland. I have been working for Imageering Optical Disk Systems for the past
three years. We have been working on the storage of both text, document images,
and color photos with great success. This system which is a multi media
database permits all types of information to be stored on the same disc. I feel
the application of this technology to CDROM is limitless, however the market
flexibility is limited. The company has focused on WORM drives for vertical
market applications. I would like to understand a bit more about the CDROM
indexing format, where can I get this info. I am also interested in other
companies who have focused on CD-ROM with mixed color photo and text
information. I look forward to getting to "know" more of the players in this
forum.

#: 825 S3/CDROM Applications
    01-Jul-88  09:02:38
Sb: #817-ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: Karen Fletcher 72261,730 (X)

F.Y.I. "charter" means "beta test" -- the product will not be ready for public
consumption until later this year. -- Jeff /l

#: 826 S1/General Information
    01-Jul-88  09:54:18
Sb: #CDROM
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: Russell Brudnicki 76064,2452 (X)

Russ, For information on the Philips CD-ROM drives, these are handled through
Laser Magnetic Storage (719-593-7900), a joint venture of Philips and Control
Data.  Ask for Randy Hines.

Regards,


Dave Pushic

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#: 827 S3/CDROM Applications
    01-Jul-88  11:38:39
Sb: #823-CD ROM LAN access
Fm: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

Hi Mark -I'm certainly not an expert on networking CD-ROM drives; I think what
you're suggesting can be done, but performance might be unacceptable. What
Meridian is offering is in essence a PC (286 or 386) to which multiple CD
drives can be attached; the value added is some proprietary hardware (primarily
a cache system) and software that apparently improve performance. Regards, Gary

#: 828 S1/General Information
    02-Jul-88  02:37:47
Sb: Need Info about DVI!
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: ALL

I am interested in finding the details of DVI technology.  All I have now
is that brochure I have obtained at the MS CDROM Conference this year.
Fortunately, one of my colleagues will come to Atlanta this summer for
SIGGRAPH and I am thinking of sending her to Princeton to find out more
about it. [I have not contacted with them yet.]  Meanwhile, I am wondering
if anybody who are developing or researching the technology will come to
Atlanta.  It is absolutely no info. in Japan except those who have special
connection with GE, I assume.  Any advise on this?  Or anybody from DVI
technology group to help me?
  -- Noboru Toyoshima [Hary & Company, Tokyo Japan]



#: 829 S1/General Information
    02-Jul-88  18:56:46
Sb: #826-CDROM
Fm: RUSSELL BRUDNICKI 76064,2452
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345 (X)

Dave Thanks for the info, we will contact them. Thanks again Russ

#: 830 S3/CDROM Applications
    02-Jul-88  22:18:17
Sb: #as
Fm: Neil M. Ruggles 76266,3447
To: all

I am a Macintosh develop interested in publishing a number of CD-ROM titles. I
have researched buuild and search engines but most seem to be for the IBM PC
right now with Mac version sometime around the ebnd of the year.

Does anyone know of software toolkits or entire products that I can buy or
license to build and index CD-ROM disks for the Mac?

I am also quite interested in talking to other developers that think the
mainstream publishers are completely missing the boat by trying to sell C
CD-ROM to librarrians instead of end-users. I have a number of  specific ide
ideas for projects that I want to discuss with the right people.

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#: 831 S1/General Information
    02-Jul-88  23:42:28
Sb: #814-Greetings
Fm: Ronald Nutter 73605,612
To: Karen Fletcher 72261,730 (X)

I would be very glad to offer what assistance that I can.  To put it in a
nutshell, i setup in rbbs what is called a sub-board(That is an environment
that is a bbs within a bbs) - this allows me to really restrict who has access
to the CDROM and for how long since the security levels and time restraints can
be changed and then restored upon returning to the main board. I m currently
using RBBS 16.1A.  I can be reached via my bbs (Bluegrass RBBS - 606-272-0499)
or by phone at home during the evenings 606-272-0489.

#: 832 S3/CDROM Applications
    02-Jul-88  23:47:12
Sb: CDROM on RBBS
Fm: Ronald Nutter 73605,612
To: Mike O'Bryan 71410,340 (X)

I have used fido for ver 8 months before switching to RBBS for 2 reasons. 1)
FIDO did not like Desqview multitasking software and did not perform netmail
functions with the modem I was using (which was hayes compat.) 2) I had
numerous security problems with FIDO (security had been broken on 2 occasions
and the security setup was not as flexible as I would have liked.  I setup the
cdrom as a sub-board within RBBS so that I could control access and keep it
more manageable.  It has been very easy to maintain so far.

#: 833 S3/CDROM Applications
    03-Jul-88  02:50:56
Sb: #830-as
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: Neil M. Ruggles 76266,3447 (X)

Neil -

I have no experience with the Macintosh, but I believe that some existing or
any-day-now version of Hypercard will be standard for Mac/CD-ROM.   Seems to me
that Apple's philosophy is to standardize everything, and although there are
certainly benefits to that approach, it does limit developers and users.

And speaking of users, the reason I'm writing is that I wholeheartedly agree
with you that CD-ROM should be directed to the end-user rather than librarians.
It is coming within the budget of middle class individuals, and the whole
excitement of CD-ROM is the *DECENTRALIZATION* of knowledge, i.e. the exact
opposite of libraries!  And I have a specific application in mind, if you'd
like to discuss it some more - legal materials on disk designed and marketed
for small law firms or individual lawyers who don't want to pay the
outrageously expensive dial-up mainframe services.  Maybe we can help each
other?
                               Cheers,
                                       Mark

#: 834 S3/CDROM Applications
    03-Jul-88  05:27:06
Sb: #806-#ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271 (X)

Raines,

I was filing business cards and I found yours.  Ah, I have seen you at the
CDROM Conference.... I thought our first meeting was on CompuServe but we
have seen each other in Seattle.
  By the way, is it possible for me to obtain the PD ROM by any chance?
You might have told me this before.... ummmm.
  Noboru Toyoshima
  Hary & Company, Tokyo Japan

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#: 835 S2/Conference/Seminars
    03-Jul-88  05:27:23
Sb: CD-ROM EXPO?
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: all

I heard that CD-ROM EXPO will be held in September.
What is it like?  Anybody know the details about it?
Should I come to see it?  Ummm.  -- Noboru Toyoshima

#: 836 S2/Conference/Seminars
    03-Jul-88  14:00:22
Sb: #CD-ROM EXPO?
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

The CD-ROM Expo in New York City last Fall was well worth attending if you
wanted to get information on a wide variety of CD-ROM products.  I would
imagine that the attendance in Chicago won't be quite as good as NY.  Should
you attend?  That depends where you have to fly in from and how much this
knowledge is worth to you.  By the way, did you ever receive a catalog from
CDP?  Bob Helfant

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#: 837 S1/General Information
    03-Jul-88  22:22:37
Sb: Panasonic WORMs
Fm: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564
To: Pete Geyer 71211,2261

Pardon my curiosity, but why?

1. Why  are "Analog videodiscs currently the most efficient way to archive
thousands of "high quality" images."

2.Why are the quality of Mac II color graphics overlayed on top of a
videodisc output  better than a digitized Mac image?

Still learning this stuff.

#: 838 S2/Conference/Seminars
    04-Jul-88  22:06:36
Sb: #836-#CD-ROM EXPO?
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: bob helfant 75530,214 (X)

Bob,
  Thanks for your reply.
My comapny produces interactive multimedia CDROMs and develops authoring
systems.  So I think I should come to the Expo anyway if my schedule allows me.
But on one hand, it is costly to fly from Tokyo.  So I've wanted to evaluate
if it's worth attending.  Do most of the software houses of CDROM and
manufacturers come to Chicago and display their new products?

What is CDP?  Could you tell me what the cagalog is about? -- Nobo

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#: 839 S2/Conference/Seminars
    05-Jul-88  20:56:14
Sb: #838-CD-ROM EXPO?
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

Nobo, Many of the manufacturers and publishers attended last year in New York.
Perhaps if you speak to the people who are "putting on" the show, they will
give you a list of attendees.  Thier address is CD ROM Expo, P.O. Box 9171,
Framingham, MA 01701-9171 . CDP is Compact Disk Products.  It is a company in
New York that sells and supports many of the CD ROM / WORM hardware and
software products which are currently available. Bob

#: 840 S3/CDROM Applications
    05-Jul-88  22:41:17
Sb: #CD-ROM video
Fm: CHUCK SMITH 71641,3411
To: ALL

Hello, I'm interested in current CD-ROM limitations in motion video.  Want to
develop a history curriculum with manuscript images, sound, and some video.
Any info. would be gratefully recv'd.   -- Chuck

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#: 841 S3/CDROM Applications
    05-Jul-88  23:28:50
Sb: #726-CD Test
Fm: Brian Nielsen 72411,2631
To: Phil Dunn 74017,614 (X)

We would like to test this product if you're still interested in getting some
feedback.  Northwestern University Library has the hardware, and we're curre
currently doing a number of things with this technology.  I'm currently also
presently principal investigator on a Research Libraries Group-funded project
dealing with the general issue of university policy development in the area of
providing access to machine-readable data files generally, so your datasets
would be very useful to look at in that context.
                                               Brian Nielsen, Head Reference
Department and Coordinator of Research [phone]

#: 842 S1/General Information
    06-Jul-88  08:55:23
Sb: #cd-rom vaporware
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: all

In the process of gathering CD-ROM products for review in CD-ROM Review
magazine, I came across an inordinately large number of vendors who are
marketing their products -- in special interest publications -but simply do not
have any products in hand to ship to customers. At this point, I don't want to
name names... anyone who subscribes to CD-ROM Review's Continuous Information
Service knows who they are, and the situation is so grave that I've been given
a chance to create an article on the subject to be published in an upcoming
issue of CD-ROM Review.
  The point is, is vaporware in the CD-ROM market being treated like one of
those things to be swept under the rug? So many are higher than a kite on the
proposed "booming" CD-ROM market that hasn't really materialized yet, except
for a handful of companies selling to Fortune 500 companies. There are
manufacturers out there who simply do not have anything to show for their
marketing efforts. How long can this ostrich-theory attitude persist before the
house of cards falls on the CD-ROM market? I'm putting this message out to see
if there are any professionals or laypersons who have similar fears. -- Jeff

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#: 843 S1/General Information
    06-Jul-88  16:35:55
Sb: #842-cd-rom vaporware
Fm: mike obryan 71410,340
To: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127 (X)

Jeff, you know my attitude, a bird in hand etc., etc.  Seems to be a lot of hot
air abounding and is definetely a hindrance to the industry.  If ya ain't got
it don't flaunt it!!
                 Mike

#: 844 S1/General Information
    06-Jul-88  22:10:16
Sb: UMI Bus.Periodicals
Fm: Brian Nielsen 72411,2631
To: All

                                        July 5 A test product from UMI,
"Business Periodicals Ondisc", was installed at Northwestern University Library
this Spring.  We received two systems, with some variation in hardware and
software setup, which provide for laser-printed output of a year's worth (at
present Jan - Dec 1987, but being added to quarterly) of 60 business
periodicals -- full text and graphics.  The periodical data are on 17 CD-ROMs
for each system.  Search and retrieval of the data is accomplished with UMI's
ABI/INFORM CD-ROM, which has been marketed since January.  Users are provided a
message at the bottom of the monitor screen when the full text for the
abstracted article is in the database; if they want to print the article, they
are prompted to put the appropriate CD-ROM in the drive, they put their
photocopy debit card into a debit card reader, and presto, full text and
pictures.  UMI's software being shipped this month also provides for
display/printing of each journal issue's table of contents, and retrieval of
articles from the BPO CD-ROM from this access point (including such features as
editorials, columns, and letters to the editor which are not always indexed in
the ABI/INFORM database).

Hardware for systems: both juZ on NCR "PC 8" 80386 machines, and use Canon
LBP-8II laser printers, two internal Toshiba CD-ROM drives in each (one for the
ABI/INFORM, one to swap in data disks) running under MS-DOS Extensions. Each
system also has a Canon BJ-80AP "bubble jet"printer for printing just the
abstract data from the ABI/INFORM disk (this is the same quiet printer that UMI
provides with the marketed ABI system).  Our test site has a different setup on
each of the systems for display: System A has a NEC Multisync EGA monitor, and
allows display of only the ABI data (full text on printer only, in other
words).  System B has a Princeton LM-301 high-resolution monitor, allowing the
display onscreen of a full page of the image data on request; the image can be
zoomed in, allowing for easy reading, or simply scanned for general
appropriateness before making the print request.  Print quality on these
systems is favorably comparable to a reasonably good

#: 845 S1/General Information
    06-Jul-88  22:12:13
Sb: UMI Business Contd.
Fm: Brian Nielsen 72411,2631
To: All

Continuation of #844 photocopy one would get in a library from the journal
paper copy, and the initial pricing of the prints for the test is identical to
what we charge for photocopier use throughout the building ($.067/page); UMI
will be fiddling with the pricing through the year.

Both librarian and first user reaction is of course HOLY COW!  It's nifty.

#: 846 S1/General Information
    07-Jul-88  00:25:19
Sb: First Hypercard CD-ROM
Fm: Peter Black 74240,265
To: All

It is called Time Table of Science and Innovation. It boasts 5700 stories
defining the key events in the History of scientific and technical
accomplishment. There are over 1000 linked graphics (some dynamic) and sounds.
It is further enhanced by the XIPHIAS Xearch~ XCMD, which allows access to any
one of the stories in less than a few seconds, and allowed the implementation
of the 'Hot Words' concept.

Every word is 'hot', that is, linked automatically by means of the search
engine, to every other story that shares the word. Find a story on Edison, and
the word electricity might catch your eye. A click on that word immediately
yields a list of every story with the word electricity, sorted chronologically.
The notion is Hypermedia, and it fulfills the classic Ted Nelson prediction of
non-linear writing and 'intertwingledness'. In layman's language, it is new and
a good bit of fun.

If you are interested contact Sue Black at XIPHIAS [phone]. Or write to
same at 13464 Washington Blvd., Marina Del Rey, CA  90292

#: 847 S3/CDROM Applications
    07-Jul-88  01:20:14
Sb: #840-CD-ROM video
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: CHUCK SMITH 71641,3411 (X)

Chuck,

The CD-ROM standard tells how to store data, but not what kind (sound, video,
stills, text, etc.) or how to retrieve it.  The problem is that digital video
images take up an enormous amount of space on a CD-ROM, giving you about 6-9
minutes of motion video...if it could out put those images fast enough (30
frames/sec for motion video).  The data transfer rate as defined by the CD-ROM
standard would allow only about 2-4 frames per second, which is not enough for
motion video.

Not a very rosey picture, but the answer lies in data compression.  The video
images would be compressed prior to being mastered onto a CD-ROM, and then
decoded at playback by the host computer.  Several companies are currently
working on this angle (SOCS Research, David Sarnoff Research Center, Lotus,
JVW, and others).

No standards exist at this point in time, however.

-- Michael --

#: 848 S3/CDROM Applications
    07-Jul-88  01:23:35
Sb: Standards?
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: Mark 71330,467 (X)

Mark,

The current release of Hypercard (version 1.2.1) supports the Apple CD-ROM
drive, and allows access to the drive via the AppleTalk local area network.  It
is a SCSI drive that also plays standard CD audio discs, which can be playing
in the background while the computer is doing other tasks.  It is available
now, as is their CD-ROM drive.

Your comment about Apple's "Apple's philosophy is to standardize everything,
and although there are certainly benefits to that approach, it does limit
developers and users.." makes little sense.  Quite the contrary,
standardization makes everybody's life a little easier, for developers and
users.

I recently tried to connect a Sony CD-ROM player to a DOS compatible machine,
and had nothing but problems.  Wrong device drivers, incompatible BIOS, wrong
version of Windows, wrong version of DOS, wrong DIP settings, incompatible
monitors and/or graphic cards, etc. made my initial enthusiasm fade rapidly.
The whole thing took over 3 weeks to get up and running.

Standards?  I wish the DOS world had more of them.

-- Michael --

#: 849 S3/CDROM Applications
    07-Jul-88  01:24:37
Sb: #Answers...
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To:  71131,1564 (X)

Steve, excuse me for butting in, but I have some info that you may find useful:

1. Analog images are currently the most efficient way to archive high quality
images due to the fact that analog images take up less room on an optical disc
than digital images do, and they don't need to be "digitized" prior to
inclusion on the disc.  You need to have thousands of images for motion video,
where the frames are output at 30 per second (that's 1,800 per minute, every
one being a different image).  LaserVideo (LV) discs and Compact Disc-Video
(CD-V) currently use analog encoding for storage of images.  Some LV's use
digital soundtracks; all CD-V's do.

2. The output from a videodisc player has the capability of a very high degree
of resolution.  Remember that a videodisc player was designed for playback via
a standard TV set, or monitor with composite video input, and it was designed
for playback of full motion images.  The Mac is capable of some pretty good
imaging itself.  The standard configuration is 640 x 480 with 256 colors out of
a palette of over 16 million on the Mac II screen.  I have seen some stuff
digitized with the Sharp JX-450 color scanner that looked real good to me.
Additionally, you can use one of several 24 bits video boards for the Mac II,
along with a 19" Trinitron monitor, and you'll have near-photographic quality
images on the screen.

Hope this helps.  What specifically do you need to accomplish (full motion or
still image storage), or are you just curious?

-- Michael --

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#: 850 S1/General Information
    07-Jul-88  13:19:46
Sb: CD-ROM video
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: CHUCK SMITH 71641,3411 (X)

Chuck,

Why motion video for a history curriculum with manuscript images? Is motion
truly necessary for your application?  If not, you can store a hell of a lot of
digitized still images on a cdrom, pulling them off into a video
digitizer/capture board.



#: 851 S1/General Information
    07-Jul-88  13:24:40
Sb: #standards?
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

Michael,

Maybe part of your problem was your choice of CD-ROM players. The Philips
CD-ROM player is available with an SCSI interface for PC/XT/AT's, as well as
with a high speed serial interface.  Mine took me about 10 minutes to set up on
a DELL (ne PC's Limitted) clone.

Regards,

Dave Pushic

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#: 852 S1/General Information
    07-Jul-88  21:20:33
Sb: #851-standards?
Fm: mike obryan 71410,340
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345 (X)

Just for general information for anyone interested I've used the Amdek
Laserdrive-1 on an AST 286 and later a Maxar 386.  The setup on both machines
took less than 10 minutes and went off without a hitch.  The Amdek is the same
as the Hitachi drive I think. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

#: 853 S1/General Information
    08-Jul-88  00:25:45
Sb: #851-#standards?
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345 (X)

Dave,

Could be; I'm sure each manufacturer has it's own setup routine.  Things seem
to be getting easier, from what I've been able to see.  Are the SCSI drives
easier to work with?  The Sony we had required a very specific controller card
& software to work properly.

-- Michael --

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#: 854 S3/CDROM Applications
    08-Jul-88  10:46:46
Sb: #WORMS
Fm: David Donaldson 76340,1652
To: ALL

Non CD owner, interested is MASS storage and retrieval. WORMS seem to be the
anwser. Hope I'll get some info here.



There is 1 Reply.

#: 855 S3/CDROM Applications
    08-Jul-88  12:14:52
Sb: #854-WORMS
Fm: Phil Dunn 74017,614
To: David Donaldson 76340,1652

David -

One important key to WORM vs CD-ROM decision is distribution of replicates.

If you have lots of data (50 Megabytes+) to distribute to lots of people (50+)
then CD-ROM may be the way to go.

If you want to save and access MASS stuff locally... WORM is great.

CD-ROM is a _distribution_ medium. Great for acquiring outside data. Or
distributing your data to others.

The two are not really competitive media.

What's your application?

Phil

Hopkins Technology

#: 856 S1/General Information
    08-Jul-88  16:10:27
Sb: #853-#standards?
Fm: Dave Pushic 74775,1345
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

Michael,

The biggest advantage to SCSI interfaced drives is the ability to control and
access more than 1 device.  I believe the SCSI standard allows 8 devices
(counting the host as 1), which means the same controller card can be used for
a number of daisy-chained CD-ROM drives, hard disk storage, streaming tape
backups, etc.

Although SCSI does provide some measure of standardization, the truth is that
the "normal" drive interfaces are all different between the various
manufacturers.  Although CD-ROM established a physical standard for the read
mechanisms and discs, the was no standardization of file structure until High
Sierra (ne ISO 9660) and is yet no standardization of interface, commands, etc.
SCSI is a start in this direction.



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#: 857 S1/General Information
    08-Jul-88  20:20:07
Sb: #816-CDROM's
Fm: Arthur Mrozowski 71531,124
To: RUSSELL BRUDNICKI 76064,2452

Hi. My name is Arthur and I work for Meridian Data. We currently have drivers
for MS DOS, High Sierra and ISO 9660 drivers. If you are interested our address
is 1239 Linda Vista Dr San Marcos, CA 92069 Phone [phone]

#: 858 S3/CDROM Applications
    09-Jul-88  10:19:26
Sb: #849-Answers...
Fm: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

Micheal-

Lucid description and I thank you!  Actually I'm writing about optical disks
for MacWeek.  I just had never had a good description of the difference between
analog and digital.

While I understand well what digital storage involves, I still don't understand
exactly how an analogue image is stored on a disk, if not as a bit-map.  If it
is stored as a full image. as on tape or film, how does the laser read it all
to "project it".  For instance, how are colors stored analogically?

I'm in the curious position of someone who understands the "advanced"
technology pretty well, but not the earlier version.

#: 859 S3/CDROM Applications
    09-Jul-88  14:52:24
Sb: #834-ALDE CDROM DISC
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

Noboru -

Good to hear from you again.  Yes, I remember meeting you at the CD ROM
conference.

The PD ROM is not yet available, but it should be out soon.  Ask again in a
couple of weeks.

-- Raines Cohen / BMUG

#: 860 S1/General Information
    09-Jul-88  17:09:17
Sb: #853-standards?
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

Dave,

Yes, I agree that the SCSI standard will provide a higher level compatibility
among CD-ROM manufacturers.  SCSI is alreay firmly entrenched in the Macintosh
community, what with all machines having a built-in SCSI port (from the Mac
Plus on up).  Hopefully the DOS world will come together as well.

-- Michael --

#: 861 S1/General Information
    09-Jul-88  17:18:14
Sb: SCSI
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: Dave 74775,1345

Dave,

Yes, I agree that the SCSI standard will provide a higher level compatibility
among CD-ROM manufacturers.  SCSI is alreay firmly entrenched in the Macintosh
community, what with all machines having a built-in SCSI port (from the Mac
Plus on up).  Hopefully the DOS world will come together as well.

-- Michael --

#: 862 S1/General Information
    09-Jul-88  19:46:58
Sb: More info...
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564 (X)

Steve,

Optical media can store information in either analog or digital form. Let's say
you wanted to store a computer graphic (a bit map) on a CD-ROM disk.  A bit map
is by definition in the digital domain.  To get that bit map on a CD-ROM in
analog form, you would need to output the image to composite video and store it
on a CD-ROM in that format.  Now, how is the guy who has that CD-ROM image
going to get it into his PC, without some sort of a card that accepts composite
video input?  You need to consider what delivery system will be used to
retrieve the graphic.  It must have the same characteristics as the system used
to create the graphic.

Analog images are stored in the same fashion as on a Laserdisc.  There are
54,000 tracks on CAV-type Laserdiscs.  Each track is one frame of video
information, consequently it takes one full spin of the videodisc to retrieve
each frame.  The frame contains all the necessary components to properly
display the image.  This information is not stored as a series of pits binary),
but as standard analog values, similar to a vinyl record, or the old RCA
SelectaVision videodisc players.  These values are converted into electrical
impulses, which are fed to appropriate video circuitry for output (usually NTSC
standard composite video).  Analog is no doubt the choice for motion video, but
for computer-generated still images, designed to be read into a PC, digital
would be the medium of choice.

Hope this helps. Let me know what issue of MacWeek you'll be in! -- Michael --

#: 863 S3/CDROM Applications
    09-Jul-88  20:23:14
Sb: cdromvideo
Fm: CHUCK SMITH 71641,3411
To: Michael Murray, 71616,214 (X)

Michael, Your comments on CDROM video limitations pretty much confirm my
impression after reading what I could get my hands on--still, where a year ago
I was reading about compression ratios of 5 to 1, then 10 to one, then IBM's
WORM drive ads-23 to 1, and now a company in Oklahoma called TMS is sending me
info on "TMSFAX" and they're saying "40 to 1." I know the figures above refer
to black and white images, but are the companies you mentioned advancing at a
similar pace in video?\exit \exit

#: 864 S3/CDROM Applications
    09-Jul-88  20:30:05
Sb: cdromvideo
Fm: CHUCK SMITH 71641,3411
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345

Dave, while video would be great, it's not absolutely necessary as you suggest.
However, funding may be available to me if the end product is a "multi-media"
(not necessarily including video!) and I have access to a mass of educational
materials (in Spanish, as I'm in Puerto Rico). I don't know enough about a
"video capture board." Is that a Targa? Where can I get info? Here I get only
what I sift from the magazines, and I'm a humanities prof., new to the
field./exit

#: 865 S1/General Information
    09-Jul-88  21:56:08
Sb: #856-standards?
Fm: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004
To: Dave Pushic 74775,1345

SCSI allows 8 _controllers_ on the bus.  There is an additional allowance of up
to 8 'logical units' per controller.  This 'allows' for 56 additional devices
(assuming that the controllers are reasonable (and we all know how to parse
ass/u/me)).



#: 866 S1/General Information
    11-Jul-88  03:56:50
Sb: #legal storage
Fm: John McCormick 76360,44
To: all

does anyone have information about any court decisions accepting optical
storage of records as best evidence?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 867 S1/General Information
    11-Jul-88  07:32:41
Sb: #866-legal storage
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: John McCormick 76360,44

The "Best Evidence Rule" is not taken very seriously by most courts; it is one
of those "rules" that is so riddled with exceptions that it is rarely an
obstacle to the introduction of any evidence.   It nominally applies when the
contents of a writing are in dispute, the so-called "original" must then be
produced.  In California courts a xerox copy is equivalent to an "original",
and computer data is routinely accepted into evidence upon a showing, if
challenged, that the output is reliable.

If you're thinking of converting paper business records to optical form, and
the opposing party objects to optical records, I'd think that at worst you'd
need expert testimony, which you yourself could provide, that the method of
conversion is accurate. A more "formidable" objection might be hearsay, and
you'd have to establish that your records are in law "business records", i.e.
prepared in the usual course of business, at or near the times of the
transactions they record, by someone who has the duty to prepare them, and not
prepared in contemplation of litigation.

A recent "megatrial" in the S.F. Bay area used massive WORM drives to store
scanned-in court documents, full-text and abstracts, which were then
retreivable at terminals at the many counsel tables.  If there WERE any
objections, "Best Evidence" or otherwise, they were overruled.



#: 868 S1/General Information
    11-Jul-88  21:33:58
Sb: #862-More info...
Fm: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

Michael-  Great.  I always missed the way in which analog images were analog.
That's a big help.  I'm just about done with the story and it should be in
MacWeek in 2-3 weeks.  The analog stuff is marginal for this story, but I keep
writing.

I wrote an article a few weeks ago in MacWeek on CD-ROMs.

BTW-- What do you do?  You sound like a knowledgeable, articulate chap.

#: 869 S3/CDROM Applications
    11-Jul-88  21:34:16
Sb: #848-Standards?
Fm: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

Michael-

Amen to that.  We Mac users get used to adding new components and having them
operational in almost no time.  Whenever a friend is installing something on a
PC, I try to stay clear.

It's true that the Mac approach constrains the developer, but only into making
things fit in with the standard.  Programmers who want to show how smart they
are at designing interfaces may not like it, and it may take more development
work, and more discipline, but in the end it's worth it.

#: 870 S1/General Information
    12-Jul-88  03:51:18
Sb: More info...
Fm: Michael Murray 71616,214
To: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564 (X)

Steve,

I've worked with optical media for some time now.  First as a product manager
for a consumer electronics firm that developed and manufactured CD-Audio disc
players, then as a PM for an international company involved with CD-ROM, CD-I,
and I-CVD technology (whew...an industry of acronyms).

Current hats worn are: optical media analysts, micro system consultant, sales
training coordinator, full-time Mac guru, graphic design, etc.  But enough
about me...

I did find your article of June 21 '88 in MacWeek.  Kudos!  I'll look forward
to your next installment..

-- Michael --

#: 871 S1/General Information
    12-Jul-88  16:22:20
Sb: #626-FUTURE CD TECHNOLOGY
Fm: john patberg 73710,2760
To: HECTOR L. PADRON 73117,1253

There is so much storage on a WORM, why wait for a R/W optical disk.
If you're interested and have money, there are systems in the $10k to
$20k range to do exactly what you want. Let me know if you're a prospect at
that price, and I'll provide more info.

#: 872 S1/General Information
    12-Jul-88  16:22:26
Sb: #758-CD-ROM Drive for sale
Fm: john patberg 73710,2760
To: scott stewart 70611,76

How about $300?


#: 873 S1/General Information
    12-Jul-88  16:22:33
Sb: #828-Need Info about DVI!
Fm: john patberg 73710,2760
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

Is your interest academic or commercial?
I have extensive experience in computer graphics and imaging and am
somewhat familiar with DVI. Iwould be willing to investigate more for you
if your interest is commercial.

#: 874 S3/CDROM Applications
    12-Jul-88  16:22:40
Sb: #694-KeyWord Reference System
Fm: john patberg 73710,2760
To: Gerald Perez 76276,477

Please send info on TEXTWARE to
John Patberg
Technology Management Group
594 Valley Rd.
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043


#: 875 S3/CDROM Applications
    12-Jul-88  16:22:46
Sb: #720-CD-ROM Data Retrevial
Fm: john patberg 73710,2760
To: Bill Bates 76456,2012

Can you be more specific? What kind of data?


#: 876 S3/CDROM Applications
    12-Jul-88  16:22:52
Sb: #811-#ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: john patberg 73710,2760
To: William E. Fein 72261,1642 (X)

What does the $695 get you? What additional hardware do you need. What
search software do you need? Is that software compatible with other info
databases?


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#: 877 S3/CDROM Applications
    12-Jul-88  16:22:59
Sb: #854-WORMS
Fm: john patberg 73710,2760
To: David Donaldson 76340,1652

Is the interest commercial or academic. If commercial, I can provide
assistance. Let me know.

#: 878 S1/General Information
    12-Jul-88  17:41:00
Sb: #Space for rent?
Fm: Greg Tjosvold 75410,3132
To: ALL

Any one out there have about 90 Meg. of Storage unused on a CD they are publish
publishing? I would be willing to pay (on a per disk basis) for use of the
space. I would also provide data formatted appropriately. HS best, HFS O.K.
Also, anyone have any information about the chemical solution anounced at the
CD ROM conference that would permit a manufacturer to block out part of a CD
from use? Thanks in advance.

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#: 879 S3/CDROM Applications
    12-Jul-88  18:09:02
Sb: TITLES CDROM WORM?
Fm: Pierre 73067,1013
To: ALL

    I'M A NEW MEMBER AND I WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION CONCERNING CD-ROM AND
WORM DISKS.

WHY ARE WORM DISKS SO EXPENSIVE $60 - $200 WHEN THE DISKETTE IS BLANK??? PEOPLE
KEEP ON TELLING ME THAT CD-ROM DISKS ARE $10 A PIECE !!!

BEING A CONSULTANT, SOME CLIENTS TELL ME: WHY SHOULD I BUY A CD-ROM DISK DRIVE
WHEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE.  THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER FOR WHICH I HAVE
NO ANSWER.  CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF SUCH A LIST EXIST ???

ANY NEW RELEASES OF SOFTWARE ON OPTICAL DISK BEING CD-ROM OR WORM, PLEASE LET
ME KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

THANKS, PIERRE



#: 880 S1/General Information
    12-Jul-88  23:23:39
Sb: #878-Space for rent?
Fm: Phil Dunn 74017,614
To: Greg Tjosvold 75410,3132 (X)

Greg, we have that space available on 2 released CDs (Econ/Stats I and
Consu/Stats I) and expect that we will have that much available on the next 8
releases. We are holding open space to assure room to integrate requests for
additional public files as the market requests.

What have you in mind?

Phil

Hopkins Technology



#: 881 S1/General Information
    13-Jul-88  02:28:38
Sb: #719-#CDROM DRIVE DIFFERENCES
Fm: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564
To: Michael Macewich 76267,375

Depends on whether you're a user or developer.  The real difference is
Technical Support and compatiblility with a majority of software.  The Hitachi
and Amdek are compatible.  Does Sony provide their own MS-Extensions?

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#: 882 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    13-Jul-88  03:00:23
Sb: #748-16-BIT I/F CARD
Fm: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564
To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132

The new IF card for the IBM 50/60/80 and the Hitachi CDR1503S is CDIFI5A.  This
is not a 16 bit card since the drive can only transfer 8 bits at once.  The new
card is about $195.00 and is supplied with a disk to register it into the
system.  You will also require a different Hitachi.sys driver (on CDEXT5) disk.
The new card is in limited supply this month.
  16 bit data transfer doesn't by anything, since the data is serial on CD.
Howver, SCSI type drives can Burst send data (held inside drive in buffer), so
burst mode meets the need without 16 bit transfer.  Either ask Amdek about
card, or contact a Hitachi Distrib....Like CDP in NY. 800-MEGABYTe

#: 883 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    13-Jul-88  03:14:34
Sb: Interesting Hack
Fm: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564
To: all

My contention is that you can hook a CD-ROM drive to ANY system IF you have the
required I/O ports. 'course what you can do with it then... Hooked up a 8 bit
Atari 800 to a drive trhough the joystick ports.  Got it to do all the audio
and other functions. Even got partial data reads from Apple CD and Alde disk,
using a high level language.  But with no hardware except cable.  The only
problem is once you have a computer reading data sectors, what next?  There
just isn't that much info is ascii text or graphics.

#: 884 S3/CDROM Applications
    13-Jul-88  18:32:32
Sb: #876-#ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: William E. Fein 72261,1642
To: john patberg 73710,2760

1) $695 gets you 12 monthly disks each with approx 37,000 abstracts
        and citations. 2) Any good cd-rom player should work as long as you use
MS CDROM
        extensions. 3) The searchware used is Lotus Bluefish and is included on
the disk.

4) Also included are the programs from PC Magazine's Utilities and
        Power programming columns in executable form.

rgds, W Fein

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#: 885 S3/CDROM Applications
    14-Jul-88  00:10:38
Sb: #884-ZIFF-DAVIS CD-ROM PROD
Fm: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427
To: William E. Fein 72261,1642

Bill forgot to mention that in addition to the abstracts, you get the full-text
of PC Week, PC Magazine, PC Tech Journal, Digital Review, Government Computer
News, Lotus Magazine, Communications of the ACM, A+, and MacUser.  Other
publications, including MacWeek and PC Computing, are in the works.  That's
roughly 15,000 full-text articles.  Also, in addition to the PC Magazine
programs, you get PC Tech Journal source and executable code.  Each disk has a
year's worth of material on it; each monthly update has the twelve most current
months (so it's a rolling year).

#: 886 S1/General Information
    14-Jul-88  00:13:59
Sb: #881-CDROM DRIVE DIFFERENCES
Fm: Gary J. Ellis 71361,2427
To: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564

I just purchased a Sony drive and it did include the MS-DOS extensions. It also
included software to permit use of the drive as a audio unit. Works like a
charm.

#: 887 S1/General Information
    14-Jul-88  09:31:17
Sb: DOCUMENT STORAGE
Fm: JAMES CHESSHIRE 72656,3200
To: ALL

I HAVE A CHANCE TO ~REPLACE MY DEPARTMENT'S ONE-OF-A-KIND MICRO FICHE SYSTEM
WHEN WE RELOCATE.  WE FILM DOCUMENTS ONLY WHICH ARE LATER NEED FOR VIEWING
AND/OR PRINTING.  I AM CONSIDERING USING WORMS FOR ARCHIVING WITH A VIEW
TOWARD STORING AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE AND SCANNING THE REMAINDETHE PROBLEM I
FACE IS THAT I WILL HAVE TO SCAN ABOUT 2,300 DOCUMENTS A DAY FOR THE FIRST 12
TO 15 MONTHS. NOT ONLY DOES THIS EAT UP A LOT OF DISK, SCANNING SEEMS TO TAKE
IN EXCESS OF A MINUTE PER DOCUMENT AND PRINTING THE IMAGE IS EVEN WORSE!
.....ANY IDEAS?

JAMES CHESSHIRE



#: 888 S1/General Information
    14-Jul-88  09:37:04
Sb: CORE DISK DRIVES
Fm: Susan Crayne 76555,264
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467

        Hello, everybody.  Does anyone out there have experience with CORE
300-megabyte disk drives?  My client is using the CORE drives and their
"Gigafile" software for a large database application, and there is apparently a
problem with the Gigafile software that trashes data in the database.  I have
heard that Gigafile uses some of DOS' "ordinary" memory, which DOS applications
have access to via functions such as malloc.  If this is true, it would
certainly cause a problem.   Has anyone heard of this problem?  In particular,
does anyone know the location of Gigafile's DOS memory, so that we can avoid
using it in our applications?  Thanks for any help you can give.
                Susan


#: 889 S1/General Information
    15-Jul-88  09:49:34
Sb: IH/writer/new member
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: all

       I just found this place (maybe Howard shouldn't have made Tapcis blast
by What's New?) and am delighted at the resources here.
       I'm a sysop of Safetynet - CompuServe's firefighter, industrial safety,
industrial health, and environmental forum; an industrial hygienist and a
freelance writer.  My interest in CD ROM is to research and review applications
in industrial hygiene and occupational health.  I'm using a Philips CM 100 and
have some of the SilverPlatter health databases.
       Len

#: 890 S1/General Information
    15-Jul-88  09:49:39
Sb: DATABASE DEVELOPMENT
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: RONALD OLDHAM 76214,373

Ron,
       I'd appreciate learning more about your database - it sounds right up my
alley!
       Len

#: 891 S1/General Information
    15-Jul-88  09:49:46
Sb: #Hello
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127 (X)

       Just thought I'd say hi, Jeff -- Imagine "seeing" you here!  (grin).
       Len Wilcox

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#: 892 S1/General Information
    15-Jul-88  12:33:51
Sb: #870-More info...
Fm: Steve Hannaford 71131,1564
To: Michael Murray 71616,214 (X)

 I-CVD  -- I've heard of CVD but not I-CVD.  What is it?  It might make my list
of acronyms.  I also kniow about CDV.

Thanks. I'm glad you liked the June 21 piece.

#: 893 S1/General Information
    15-Jul-88  23:39:49
Sb: #891-#Hello
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Len Wilcox 76701,115 (X)

Hi, Len!

Just thought I'd let you know 'there is no escape'!

-- Jerry

P.S. Glad to see the article on stock photography/CD-ROMs in PHOTO DISTRICT
NEWS.  Haven't had a chance to do more than skim it yet; does the writer
somewhere make it clear that the CD-ROM contains not the color photos but
rather b/w DTP files scanned-in from the photos?

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#: 894 S1/General Information
    16-Jul-88  00:08:23
Sb: #CDROM SYSTEM
Fm: Lawrence Hughes 75176,3215
To: all

I am looking to purchase a CDROM system for use in our poison control center
using MICROMEDEX's Poisondex database in the near future. The computer will be
dedicated to the Poison Control center. Does anyone sell complete systems with
internal cdrom drives that would be compatible with MICROMEDEX's software?  If
anyone has any information and or suggestions on putting together and
ecomonical but reliable system for this purpose, please leave replies... THANKS

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#: 895 S1/General Information
    16-Jul-88  10:01:52
Sb: #893-#Hello
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

       Hi, Jerry!  I can run but I can't hide, eh?  (grin)
       I haven't seen the aticle in PDN.  A black and white scan of a color
photo might leave a lot to be desired.  (OTOH, it might help, too!).
       I'd like to see _your_ article when its published.
       Len

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#: 896 S1/General Information
    16-Jul-88  10:02:00
Sb: #894-CDROM SYSTEM
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: Lawrence Hughes 75176,3215 (X)

Lawrence,
       Yes, a fellow by the name of Peter Dyke sells complete systems,
including the CD ROM Drive, and has a database for emergency responders that
can go with it.  He checks in my forum (Safetynet) but I don't have his PPN
handy.  If you want to get in touch with him, let me know and I'll send you his
PPN.
       Len

#: 897 S1/General Information
    16-Jul-88  13:14:21
Sb: #895-#Hello
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Len Wilcox 76701,115 (X)

Never fear, Len, you won't be able to _avoid_ getting a copy of my
article when it's published.

Of course, you _could_ avoid READING it...  <grin>

-- Jerry

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#: 898 S1/General Information
    16-Jul-88  17:11:22
Sb: #897-#Hello
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

Jerry,
       Looking forward to seeing the article -- BTW, I have a new address. It's
37397 Berkshire Drive, Madera CA 93638.  I'm _sure_ I'll have time to read it!!
       Len



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#: 899 S3/CDROM Applications
    16-Jul-88  21:17:01
Sb: #854-WORMS
Fm: Skip Kilsdonk 70436,1227
To: David Donaldson 76340,1652

David,

What kind of informatin do you need?  I used to be VP of Marketing at Maxtor;
we marketed a 800 MB WORM drive that was manufactured by RICOH.

Let me know how I can help.

....Skip

#: 900 S3/CDROM Applications
    16-Jul-88  21:17:14
Sb: #879-TITLES CDROM WORM?
Fm: Skip Kilsdonk 70436,1227
To: Pierre 73067,1013 (X)

Pierre,

A big reason for the difference in cost of the WORM vs CD ROM disks is that
the CD ROM disks are just stamped out (like records) and don't have to be
recordable.  WORM disks are entirely different technology because they have
to be write-able.  Leading edge technology, in fact.

....Skip

#: 901 S1/General Information
    17-Jul-88  09:28:56
Sb: #legal storage
Fm: John McCormick 76360,44
To:  71360,467

Dear Mark, thanks forthe info, actually the reques came frome a friend here in
the government .  His agency wants to store files on optical media and destroy
the old copies but can't find legal precedent permitting this. I had heard of
that trial in SF.  Isn't it true that only the judge and clerks made use of the
system that the attourneys for both sides insisted on paper copies?
        In any case, that wasn't actual evidence and the originals were still
available.  My question relates to making copies then destroying legally
mandated originals that were to be stored for up to 70 years. jm

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#: 902 S3/CDROM Applications
    17-Jul-88  15:11:20
Sb: #721-ALDE PUBLISHING DISCS
Fm: Ronald Nutter 73605,612
To: Kenneth Wm. Miller, II 76367,2733 (X)

I can appreciate your concern about having most of the files in .ARC format.
While on this version of the disk there is room still left on the disk still
that would have allowed the files to be un-archived.  I am working with the
project manager at ALDE on the next version of the PD ROM.  The organization
will be much better and will have even more files.  I have contributed the
files from my board (Over 40 megs worth) and will be assisting with the
creation of a master file directory and catetory file as required by the File
Management System used by most RBBS sysops.  If everything goes accordingly to
what we hope, the file directory and category file will be placed onto the CD
where those sysops who use the PC-SIG CD still have to mess with a 2Meg+ file
on their hard drive.  If you would like to know more about the current version
of the CD from ALDE, leave a message for me here with your questions or call my
board Bluegrass RBBS 606-272-0499.



#: 903 S1/General Information
    17-Jul-88  16:16:11
Sb: #898-#Hello
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Len Wilcox 76701,115 (X)

Hi, Len --

Does this mean you're now Comstock's West Coast office, or what??

INMWTK!

-- Jerry

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#: 904 S1/General Information
    17-Jul-88  18:07:15
Sb: #903-#Hello
Fm: Len Wilcox 76701,115
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

Jerry,
       No, you're confusing me with Len Kaltman.  I've never had any dealings
with Comstock or Photonet.  I was a sysop on photoforum till a couple of months
ago, when I cut my sysoping to just Safetynet.  That's where you know me from.
       Do I still get your article (grin)?
       Len

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#: 905 S1/General Information
    17-Jul-88  22:17:55
Sb: #901-legal storage
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: John McCormick 76360,44

John -

The last time I looked at the Federal Rules of Evidence, they were tighter than
the California Evidence Code, and "original" meant original.  Again, though,
the Best Evidence Rule applies only when the *CONTENTS* of a writing are in
dispute, as opposed to its interpretation or the fact that it exists at all.
In S.F., I believe that the attorneys had terminals too, and I *think*,
although I may be wrong, that the evidence was offered and received in digital
form, not just the pleadings.  If I were in your friend's shoes, I'd seek the
opinion of the Attorney General in his jurisdiction.  BTW, still trying to
raise my credit standing for the Kurzweil Model 30!

                                       - Mark

#: 906 S1/General Information
    18-Jul-88  07:48:36
Sb: #881-CDROM DRIVE DIFFERENCES
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564

The Sony drives use the same MS Extensions that Hitachi and all the others use.
The difference between all these drives is that they use proprietary .SYS files
(drivers).  The drivers used for Hitachi will not work on a Sony, and vice
versa, for instance.  These drivers comes bundled with the drive. -- Jeff

#: 907 S3/CDROM Applications
    18-Jul-88  07:58:53
Sb: #879-TITLES CDROM WORM?
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: Pierre 73067,1013

CD-ROM Review magazine publishes a list of available CD-ROMs. For more
information, please call 800-441-4403 and ask how you can get a copy of the
April 1988 issue.  We will publish the list again in October, but with
commercial, non-commercial, and "phony"/ nonexistent titles separated in the
listing. -- Jeff

#: 908 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    18-Jul-88  08:00:04
Sb: #883-Interesting Hack
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564

So, what's the point? -- Jeff

#: 909 S1/General Information
    18-Jul-88  11:50:07
Sb: Response doc. storage
Fm: David Gilliland 76340,2346
To: JAMES CHESSHIRE 72656,3200

James, I would look into a commercial WORM solution such as 12" WORM with
medium speed scanners 12-20 pages per minute depending on resolution.  The
scanner engine I would look for in any system is Fujitsu.  This machine gives
you variable resolution from 100 to 400 DPI and is very friendly with
light/dark control and other features.  The driver interface board to the
engine should have on board Group 3 and 4 compession so that the image is alway
kept compressed on disc until it is viewed or printed.  A wide variety of disc
drives are available but the scanner is a major factor in productivity.  I
think that this engine is now integrated into the Imageering Optical Disc
Systems product line.  They are in Memphis Tn.  Also when you look at systems
be sure that the company you select has a rental program.  This helps cut down
on equipment purchases during the "start up" phase of your conversion process
from paper to optical storage. PS. Fujitsu print engine prints 12-20 pages per
minute and gets aprox. 50,000 images to a toner cartridge !

#: 910 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    18-Jul-88  14:29:43
Sb: #883-Interesting Hack
Fm: Frank Scanzano 75126,302
To: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564

TOM,
   Can you tell me where to get the programming onfo on the CDROM drive?
          Frank Scanzano

#: 911 S1/General Information
    18-Jul-88  21:40:55
Sb: #904-Hello
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: Len Wilcox 76701,115 (X)

<mega-blush!>

Gee, Len, I *do* apologize!  You're absolutely right, of course... my
only excuse is that Len Kaltman is _also_ here, and I've exchanged some
msgs with him.

So when I got yours, and glanced no further than the "Len"... well, the
rest is history.  or hysteria.

Now that I have you placed -- Safetynet, & all that -- sure, you'll still
get my article!  The subject (dunno where you joined the thread) will be
"Storing Photo Libraries on Optical Disks."  That's the working title;
final title, I hope, will be equally informative but much jazzier.

-- Jerry